Argument in Documentary Film:
Friends, one of the highest level of thinking takes place when you think about your own thinking and understand the ways in which you are manipulated, even when it still works. You need to respond to two questions, and WRITE WELL. Seriously.
While thinking about the audience, the subject, the purpose of the movie, answer the following:
First:
Write argue what the most effective piece of rhetoric was in the film. You choose. Archival footage, voice over, logical evidence, piecing together of historical events, audience, purpose, tone, etc. Provide evidence and explain yourself.
Next:
Argue about the least effective piece of rhetoric is in the film. You must explain why. Justify your answer as you did in the first paragraph.
Your response is due by September 17th by 1156 pm. This is an academic endeavor.
Tia Hall
ReplyDeleteIn the Documentary “13th”, I feel like the most effective pieces of rhetoric in the film was its logical evidence. The film itself covers the economic history of slavery, intersection of race, and mass incarceration in the U.S. I feel like it wouldn’t have grabbed the attention of the public unless it had some logical evidence in there. Everything that was said in the documentary could be backed up with some sort of evidence. For example, in the film a women says “ Black people, black men and black people in general are overrepresented in news as criminals” which was backed up by articles that called them “super predators, and articles that called these people “monsters”.
I feel like the least effective piece of rhetoric in the film was the archival footage. Archival footage itself is footage that can be used in different films. To me it wasn’t very convincing to see. The logical evidence did more for me when it came to “manipulating`’ my opinion. Who’s to say where else the stock footage was used.
Ashlyn Rollins
ReplyDeleteIn the Documentary film "13th", I feel the most effective piece of rhetoric in the film was both, logical evidence and the piecing together of historical events. The film itself covered the vast topic of segregation/favoritism in the U.S. of one race, the supreme race... whites. As the film goes on it covers the history of slavery the conditions in which the minority, AKA blacks/African Americans faced. With this logical evidence and pieces of historical events I feel it made the film more reliable/ believable. The film was very effective and definitely got the point across that minority is the vast majority of imprisoners to this day.
Of all the rhetoric shown in the film, I feel the least effective piece of rhetoric in the film was the tone. Throughout the film the tone goes up and down. Although they are trying to get one point across, I feel that they've added specific details in the film like specific scenes from cells/confinements, etc. to only manipulate us into believing their evidence given is more credible facts.
keyana nasim
ReplyDeleteIn the documentary "13th", I think the most effective piece of rhetoric evidence in the film was using historical events to piece together why African Americans' are treated the way they are. In the film it showed how events of the past have influenced the way may people think about African Americans in present day. For example the mass incarceration of African Americans' after slavery was abolished in the south transferred to the criminalization of African Americans today. Also films in the past have portrayed black men as vile animalistic and violent, which has caused the media today to depict black men as "monsters" and "super predators". The film was very effective in getting the point across that minorities are the majority of prisoners today.
In the film the least effective rhetoric was some of the archival footage because while some of it did show the criminalization of African Americans while some of it did not which in a way was counter productive to the point of the film,and it was mostly used to just manipulate the audience with emotion and into believing that the information is more credible.
ReplyDeleteAvery Ripple
To me, the most effective piece of rhetoric evidence in the documentary, 13th, would be seeing all of the dates and numbers that go with them. I don't live in a family where my parents shelter me but I honestly was not aware of how big the numbers were, still in the 2000s, of African Americans imprisoned. Seeing how large the numbers are still to this day kind of disgusts me. Also, after seeing multiple large numbers increase as the dates became more and more present, and looking at how racism is still a huge problem, it kind of makes you think… are we really doing anything to stop racism in America?
The least effective rhetoric evidence in the film, to me, was the voice over. You could’ve taken out the music and the voice overs and just showed me the numbers and the photos and I would have been sold. I would know what is going on just by looking at the African Americans being tortured and miss treated and the shocking numbers/dates popping up on the screen says it all about how current the “past” was and how racism is still taking place today.
Carson Ashburn
ReplyDeleteI believe that the most effective piece of rhetoric evidence is the statistics that they tell you, the prison numbers and the black arrest rates, it comes to you as a surprise to the audience. This also comes in a kind of overwhelming speed and the numbers are so big it's hard to wrap your head around. This is effective due to the audience knowing it is true statistics and being able to look it up to know that they wouldn’t be able to lie about it.
The least effective argument in the movie is that these laws specifically targeted black Americans. This is not effective due to people being able to say easily that it wasn’t to target blacks and that it was just to stop drug problems in the united states. The evidence is solid but the ability to say that it wasn’t a front for racial targeting is way too easy to do.
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ReplyDeleteI think the most effective piece of rhetoric was the archival footage. In the world we live in today a lot of things we hear are not true, but if you see than rather hear them, then it clicks in your brain more. The shocking videos I saw were just and ugly reminder that our country has a bad side and nothing is perfect. For example showing innocent people being bullied and or even killed. It portrayed African Americans as innocent people and white people as the bullies. To me that was the most effective part in the whole film.
ReplyDeleteI think the least effective piece of rhetoric was all the numbers. Yes I think they were important to the whole film but not the most effective. For instance in 1970, 353,292 people were in U.S. prison and then ten years later in 1980 there were 513,980 people. It is a big step up but to me it is not as effective as seeing the people in prison, or how they got in prison. When they showed the numbers also it was just numbers. I think to emphasize this they could’ve had faces of the innocent people.
-Anna Fiala
DeleteChandler Ashburn
ReplyDelete1) I think the most effective use of rhetoric in this film was either voiceovers or the speed of facts thrown at the viewer. The voiceovers were used from the time the film started to the time that it ended. Former president Obama was the first voiceover in the movie. He spoke about the world’s population and how the United States has the highest amount of people in jail in the world. Obama was a valued leader and many people view him as a trusted source. Using a powerful leaders voice to cover a topic is one way that makes voiceovers effective. Hearing an actual humans voice with emotions can persuade the viewer to feel the same emotions as the voiceover. Since Obama had a serious and sad tone, I felt the seriousness and sadness too. It was very effective to make me feel the emotion of what he was saying. The second thing I found effective was how fast the video spoke. Numbers, quotes and facts were constantly going back and forth throughout the film. They would bounce from one topic to the next so fast that the reader could almost not process it. This ties into the voiceovers too. Since the voices are presenting tone and emotions and the viewers don’t have enough time to process the facts being thrown at them, it becomes very easy to feel what the video wants you to feel.
2) Personally, I felt like the people being interviewed were the least effective rhetoric in the film. First off, they were all people of minorities. The film was about how the legal system found a way to arrest people of minorities in the early 1900’s. This topic would be emotional for them and they would provide bias to the viewers. I was personally able to catch that which is why I found it least effective. The people being interviewed also had no meaning to me. I didn’t know much about them so what they were saying didn’t effect how I felt about the topic of the film.
In the documentary 13th, I feel the most effective piece of rhetoric was the word use „criminal“. In the film this word had a big spectrum of meanings. At first it was mostly used for black people. Someone is also criminal when he or she stole something or act against any rule. However the punishments are out of metes and bounds. They immediately got arrested and sent to jail. For me it was just shocking how the white people interacted with the black one, like they are animals. They couldn’t do anything right for them. They are just criminals.
ReplyDeleteTo me the least effective piece of rhetoric was the place where the interviewed people talked. I think they wanted to underline the dramatic situation when they talk in front of a brick wall but it was just weird to me.
Theresa Kaml
Colby Rohn
ReplyDeleteIn the documentary “13” I though the best use of rhetoric evidence was logical evidence. In the documentary it brought of little things that could be correlated with the high numbers of black people going to prison. One thing that stood out was how they talked about how crack has a higher penalty than cocaine when cocaine was more expensive than crack. The documentary said that crack had a higher penalty than cocaine because it was cheaper meaning lower income people like black people could get their hands on it. There were other theories like how the prison system when to private companies that the government had to supplies more prisoners to them.
The least effective piece of evidence to me was the correlation between crack and black people going to jail. Crack had a higher penalty than cocaine probably because crack was cheaper so more people could get their hands on it. Cocaine was more expensive so only the rich could afford it and less poor people could afford it.
Courtney Marshburn
ReplyDeleteIn Ava DuVernay’s documentary, 13th, the loophole in the 13th amendment is made clear to the audience. The amendment reads, “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, nor any place subject to their jurisdiction.” The exception is if one is convicted for a crime. This inhumane clause converted slavery from a legal practice to an equally permissible way to punish criminals. In a predominately white society, black people were defined as “criminals” and “super predators”. Their every action was made out to be a vicious wrongdoing. Archival footage gives a clear picture to the abuse “criminals” faced. Black people were physically assaulted for walking down the streets. They were kicked and beaten with rods. Many black people were lynched. Archival footage was very effective because it showed the treatment exactly as it happened.
The least effective piece of rhetoric was the presentation of the statistics. By flashing the statistics on the screen for a brief period, it deliberately undermined and minimized the extreme racial bias in criminalization. If the statistics on the overall total of prisoners were depicted with a fair breakdown of prison population showing accurate numbers for white people and black people, then the audience would have the information to assess the actual problem within the criminal system.
Alexis Grant
ReplyDeleteIn the documentary 13th, I felt the most rhetoric evidence was the archival footage and any of the statistics that were shown. They give the documentary more shocking points and anyone watching something to reflect on. Seeing multiple videos of racism happening in our own country, even though some footage was from many years ago, can still make a huge impact on the audience by seeing something so real and hateful and hopefully wanting to make a change because of that. The rising numbers of African Americans in prisons over short periods of time, up until the year 2014, also puts into perspective for the audience that to a certain extent, racism is still a problem in this country and it needs to be come to an end.
The least effective piece of rhetoric evidence throughout this documentary in my opinion were the interviews. Instead of giving actual facts on how the situations anyone of color had gotten into were bad, a lot of the people being interviewed gave their personal opinions and feelings on the situations rather than actual evidence of why this goes against everything this country stands for.
Winnie Mondi
ReplyDeleteIn the documentary 13th, i felt like the rhetoric evidence was seeing all the different things that go with it and how large the numbers are also how racism was and still is a big deal these days.
The least effective rhetoric evidence in the film was the voice over. They could of made things more simpler and easier and changed things up especially how the slaves were being treated and the different numbers on the screen coming up but at the end of the day slavery is a big deal today and needs to be stopped.
Kristian Shad
ReplyDeleteIn the documentary, 13th, I believe that the most effective evidence used was the facts and statistics that shot out on the screen. The numbers were unbelievable to hear but even more so to see. The amount of African Americans that are imprisoned of recent and how much the numbers have increased are incredible. The numbers and dates really put it into perspective for us suburban kids in a majority white town about these kinds of issues. The numerical evidence shown makes you think if anything has really changed in terms of the oppression of minorities.
The least effective kind of rhetoric evidence in the documentary were the people being interviewed. From what I watched all but one person that was being interviewed was of a minority. Although color should not matter, the fact that the interviewed were black gives the viewer the feeling that they could be talking out of emotion and bias which is not good for the documentary. The people's background were good because it showed them as a trustworthy person, but the diversity was lacking. If the documentary wanted to be able to use the interviews as a viable option they should have used a more diverse group of people.
Lindsay Langford
ReplyDeleteI think that the most effective piece of rhetoric in this documentary was the archival footage. By using the archival footage, I think that their purpose was to evoke emotion in the viewers. Some of the footage that they used in the documentary was from a long time ago, but it still evokes all sorts of emotions. The type of footage that they used were of violence and racist actions which evokes the feeling of guilt. I also feel like the videos were effective because the videos show the racism, which is more effective than just talking about what happened.
I think the least effective piece of rhetoric in this documentary was all of the statistics that they listed off. When they would show statistics it was for such a short amount of time that it was hard to understand exactly what they were talking about so it was hard to take note about how bad things actually were.
Emily Bell
ReplyDeleteWhile watching the documentary, the 13th, many topics where covered in order to get their point a crossed. To me, the most effect piece of rhetoric in the film that was used, was the logical evidence, and the piecing together of historical events. When the documentary started using the evidence and the statistical numbers that went along with the events is when it started to become effective to me. Yes I knew that some of these events occurred but I never knew the exact numbers that went along with the events, and that is when it put it all into perspective for me. When the film started with the numbers of black prisoners in a certain year, and then showed that each year that number was rising extremely fast, that made me realize something that I never knew before. Also the historical events that the film had covered, reminded me of all the events that I might have forgotten bout or just didn’t even know of before. When they had discussed about when slavery was abolished but blacks were still enslaved after, I never truly understood how they could do that, until the documentary talked about how they would imprison the blacks for the littlest of things just to be able to take away their freedoms and enslave them again. With both the numbers that were presented and the historical events, this film was very effective to me.
On the other side of it, there was a couple things that were not effective pieces in the film. For me the least effective things were the voice overs and some of the archival footage. The voice overs were presented in a way that felt to me like it was just a last effort to make the documentary more realist. The voice overs almost seemed manipulating and was not effective at all. Also the footage that was soon was not effective due to the fact that some of it wasn’t actually the real footage but instead like a scene from a movie. It was very manipulating and did not get the point a crossed of what it was trying to, making it a very ineffective part of the documentary.
Kirsten Afrank
ReplyDeleteThe most effective piece of rhetoric in the documentary was the archival footage. This provided solid evidence of events that actually took place. These videos are important because they teach the audience how African-Americans were really treated during this time period. Many of the responses from law enforcement and civilians was unnecessary. An example is the use of fire hoses on African-American pedestrians. A civilian repeatedly punched an elderly man in the head as he walked down the street. These videos allowed me to fully understand the level of violence that was publicly displayed. Watching the footage was emotionally shocking. The scenes were effective in making me more understanding of the severity of the cruelty and outraged at the white aggressors.
I believe the least effective form of rhetoric was how the different experts that were interviewed were portrayed. There is one instance of where a man speaking about the situation and his presentation made him appear uninformed. His words were choppy and he was slouched on the couch. Following this clip, another man provided laughing commentary about the other speaker. The editing of this video made this man seem less credible. This piece was least effective because as it did not influence my opinion of the subject.
Logan Clark
ReplyDeleteThe information given in the documentary "13th" was effective; logical evidence and the piecing together of various historical events allowed the viewer(s) to make sense of the perspective the producers were trying to present.
The least effective parts were the archival footage and the overall tone of the documentary. It would have been better if it had stayed away from pushing a certain direction and had existed only to present factual information, although, it may be more impactful for them to make it as emotional as possible.
Cheyenne Sempek
ReplyDeleteIn the Documentary "13th", I think the most effective pieces of rhetoric in the film was the piecing together of historical events. The film showed one of the big events in history, the Civil Rights Movement. African American/black were protesting to be treated like human beings. To me, the historical events were effective in the film.
The least effective piece of rhetoric in the film was its only main focus was African American. In the "13th", they could have added other immigrants. Other immigrants have been treated the same, if not worse, as the African American/black. They've been wanting to be treated like human beings. In my opinion, the film could have focused on others, than just one.
Chris Gillespie
ReplyDeleteIn the documentary film, "13th", the most effective piece of rhetoric was the ever-growing number count of prisoners throughout the years, with no evident slow down. This makes it obvious that something is wrong with the prison system, right? When it showed that some prisons even have quotas of prisoners to fill to make the government more money-I was astounded by the sheer greed of this system.
The least effective was the archival footage throughout the documentary. I did a little looking into archival videos and such and found that a big chunk of those are just basically stock photos-or stock videos~but there could be some real footage in there somewhere.
Rylee Grass
ReplyDeleteThe most effective piece of rhetoric, to me, was the archival footage and the logical evidence. Many people live off of "believe what you see" so for the documentary to be so descriptive in the footage they were showing, it proved to many that what was being said was true and got their attention. It also gives a strong resource to trust because they are open in sharing the true facts. The logical evidence, like all the statistics shown, were very helpful because they give more facts and that is what people trust. Showing exactly what is being talked about, in a very specific way is something that is very effective in how people see things.
I also believe the least effective rhetoric was the tone of the documentary. A lot of it sounded manipulative and biased and I do not believe it was effective in how people thought. Also it made it out to be more of a persuasive documentary in what to beleive rather than giving out facts
Mason Smith
ReplyDeleteThe most effective piece of rhetoric used in the movie "13th" was definitely the logical evidence. There is no way possible to change hard facts, especially when they are backed up with true and credible evidence. The whole movie would not have a base and it would not have a voice if it did not properly use evidence and facts to support its arguments, but it did, and thats what makes it so crediible and eye-opening. Most of the audience the movie was watched by probably would not have believed such unbelievable facts, such as the percent of people who are black and in prison compared to the percent of people of every race in prison, but the facts were well supported and theres nothing to really argue with because the movie didn't use opinions, it only used facts.
The least effective piece of rhetoric used in the movie was the tone. They used a tone that basically mocked anybody, including one of the speakers in the film, if they disagreed with the argument the movie supported. Wether the audience agrees with the movie or not, they should be shown both sides with the same tone, it was quite obvious the producer felt like they needed more than just facts and footage to sway the audience to agree with them.
Jacob Bratt
ReplyDeleteThe documentary "13th" for it's most impactful evidence, I'd say it's be the exponential growth of the prisoner numbers, it was terrifyingly real seeing how many people were being arrested in such a short time, the interviewed government official even said that they were slyly targeting blacks through their financial inferiority. As for the most ineffective part of the documentary, I'd have to say is all the political stuff some was interesting the rest made me want to pass out due to how complex it was.
The documentary 13th had tones of people's voices that got me on how it was very incorrect on how they treated other people and got me thinking on why would they do this and how is society today of treating people bad or how long would this last. Even when they showed little clips of pictures during the documentary it showed how messed up the people were in the past on their racial profile to others and how it would not effect their lives for what they do.
ReplyDeleteThe least effective way of the documentary is that how some of the speakers make it sound like it's ok or that is how society was during the past to treat other skin color really bad to make others think "hey" it's ok to do this nothing bad is going to happen to us. For other circumstances the clip was not having good evidence to support their claim on how it shows we shouldn't be like the people in past it just covers who they were and what they did. Not for why they did it and how it would effect the future
Julie Holmes
ReplyDeleteIn the movie 13, the most effective part to me would be the voice over with the black screen. It was the most effective because you would paid more attention to the words that the person was saying. Then as they would keep speaking the numbers of how many black in prison showed it was just very effective .
The least effective part was when they collected people in prison to crack. The worst part was when they talked about how crack was getting higher charges then crack cocaine and the war on drugs. What a person got from that was African-Americans = crack and hippies = weed and that's just not right
I was not here for most of the film, but from what I have seen the music in the film and the logical facts that they gave to viewers was the most effective. Such a menacing tone ringing out during a movie causes goosebumps- all viewers will be aware that because of this music then something intense or even horrific is coming next and that is the truth. Those facts they threw at us after the music is like a knife to the heart, it's disgusting and it pains viewers to see other human beings treated so poorly by.. well humans. It strikes such a heart aching blow that viewers even though they themselves were not a part of these horrifying actions feel guilty over what transpired.
ReplyDeleteThe poor part of this film is that it never seemed to inform viewers that we need to STOP acting in this manner. Sure it showed us the horror but it never seemed to give us any way to fix our current generations because things like this are still happening present day.
Morgan Philamalee
ReplyDeleteIn the doctumentary, I think logical evidence is the most rhetoric piece in the film. The evidence shown in the film is about the slavery we have in the US. If there was no evidence in this film, most people would not watch it nor pay attention if they did. The logical evidence in the doctumentary helps show us what actually happens and that it does actually still happen.
I feel as if the least rhetoric part of the film is the tone. In the documentary it was not the same tone all the way throughout. They were trying to manipulate people to believe what they are saying and be totally credible.
The most effective piece of rhetoric in the film "13th" to me was logical evidence. Thinking about it, the "war on drugs" was honestly "the war on African Americans". The fact that one amount of crack warranted 10 times the penalty of the same amount of cocaine shows it all, being that it is the same drug in a different form. The lawmakers were aware of who was using crack versus Cocaine and they targeted African Americans through this. It shows how even now as laws remain in place where we are with racial division especially in politics. The least effective rhetoric to me was the experts talking about it. No matter who is talking, there is facts, and evidence that points out obvious intentions. Everyone has to form an opinion and also be able to tell what is right and what is blatantly wrong no matter where or who the evidence is coming from.
ReplyDeleteAmarizza Hermosillo
ReplyDeleteThe most powerful evidence the movie showed was when they revealed an audio clip of the president directly stating that the law made on crack was targeting African Americans. Whether or not the quote was taken out of context and/or missing key information, he was the leader and president of our nation and had great amount of influence over the laws made.
The least effective part of the film in my eyes was how they choose to present their evidence. The movie showed injustices that African Americans had to face in the past concerning unlawful punishments and imprisonment, however they didn't show very much about what has been taking place currently. Rather than focusing on their main point, that black people are targeted in American prisons today, they tried to use emotion to sway the audience by mostly talking about events that occurred in the past, instead of the present. When they did show statistics from today, like the number of people in American prisons, they didn't specifically tell us how many of those people are black, or white, or mexican etc so it wasn't as impelling as it could've been.
Colten Busch,
ReplyDeleteIn the film "13th", I felt that the most true peice of rhetoric film was archival footage. This is becuase archival footage shows actual evidence of events and real life experiences from the past. Its real and you can beleive it when you get to see authentic footage. In other peices of rhetoric film you havr less credibility if you cant see the past with ulyiur own eyes. This is why archival footage ia credible and the most truthful. An example of archival footage in "13th" was the black man getting pushed around in a white neighborhood.This shows the audience that white people didnt want black people around them or their families.
In "13th", the least effective peice of rhetoric film to me was tone. This is because there were so many arguments and point of views among the attitudes of the people being interviewed. Although I had my own opinion, this could confuse other audiences on who to agree with or believe based on how they presented their information(tone). An example of how useless tone was in "13th" was when white interviewees talked about whites and black interviewees talked about blacks. This wasnt throughout the whole movie, but both races should talk about eachother.
Jared Buckley
ReplyDeleteIn the documentary “13th”, I believe the most effective piece of rhetoric in the film is the graphic vintage footage. No matter whom you are what color your skin is, seeing the old black and white film of people being tortured is hard to watch and makes your stomach turn. Seeing the graphic display of cruelty of people towards other people is wrong and doesn’t sit well with me. The picture of a black person dead hanging in the air as a group of white people stand around and pose for a picture, it’s just crazy to think about that people actually could actually bring themselves to do such a thing. That part for me is always hard to watch.
I think the least effective piece of evidence in the documentary “13th” is when they had the one white guy talk in the interview, I forgot his name. When the black people were being interviewed I felt connected and they drew me in and I understood what they were saying and it made sense, I felt smarter after listening to them. When Newt Gingrich talked I felt similar, but when the other white guy talked I felt like what he was saying didn’t make sense, it didn’t draw me in the way the others did and the information just didn’t seem quite right or as knowledgeable.
Jared Buckley
Ryan Petersen
ReplyDeleteTo me the most effective piece of rhetoric was in the film was archival footage. Its one thing to hear about bad things happening but its another to see it, when you see the video it really brings out your emotions and you feel for those people,you really feel bad for the African Americans and you could really see how bad they were treated even doing simple things like walking down the street, its some horrible, really violent stuff!
the least effective part of the film was the statistics, their was so many of them and they weren't up there very long that you couldn't understand the statistic and the point they were making(was confusing).
The most appealing and effect piece of rhetoric in the film "13th" was how they appealed to the audience using logical evidence. Within the film, the evidence is presented in a way in which was very interesting, and they presented it by demonstrating the crimes African Americans would commit and how slavery didn't actually end after the civil war. I didn't actually know that African Americans would be thrown into jail for minor offenses and basically circulated back into slavery. This evidence just proves the social injustice in the United States beyond the Civil War.
ReplyDeleteWithin the film the least appealing thing to me was how much they focused on one group of peopl, that being African Americans. This is because they weren't the only ones who faced hardships within this country. For example, Japanese during WW2, the Native Americans, etc. I think the information would have been more appealing on a broad spectrum into the backgrounds of every immigrants hardships.
Lexi Grui
ReplyDeleteIn the documentary “13th” the most effective piece of rhetoric is logical evidence because all of the evidence they used in the film helped support the facts that they were using. Also it was all used in the correct situation. It helped the viewers have abetter understanding of the events happening during the film. For example with the ALEC organization i really didn't understand it until they started to show examples of it and facts about what it is.
The least effective was the pop;e that they interviewed. They certainly helped give some of the facts and evidence but most of that came form videos and the onscreen text. I feel that the interviewers just really only gave their opinion on the facts and events that happened.
ReplyDeleteDawson deberry
I think that it shows the most in the facts that they state throughout the film they started the rate at with. The black peoples where getting arrested and it showed how fast the prison Numbers went up as the years went on but there was always more black people and white people in jail andalways was to put more black people in jail the war on drugs is actually the one blacks this was the quote and it's basically saying that The war on drugs is it just for drugs it's more for the black people getting arrested. They were many people getting arrested for petty crimes and sentenced to life is stupid and petty crimes
The least affective way was the videos of the black slaves getting went and didn't show much fax to just show that that's how it used to be that really didn't add relevance to the point that they were trying to make
Trevor Thomazin
ReplyDeleteI believe that the most effective piece of rhetoric used in this documentary is logical evidence. The information given was very effective because it did a good job to accentuate the point that was trying to be proven. Without the use of logical evidence, the documentary would not be credible in the slightest. That would also give the documentary the opportunity to be extremely biased.
I believe the least effective piece of rhetoric used was the use of interviews in the documentary. I think this because while they offered good emotional content, it was not factually based. The interviews were more of peoples opinions and feelings more than anything.
Laure Maas
ReplyDeleteIn the film 13 I would have to say the most effect part all the logical evidence. Because it is showing all the facts about slavery in the US and everything important. If they didn’t put that in the film it wouldn’t seem like a film and everything was fake because all that evidence is showing us what slavery was like and how it still has an impact.
The least effect part of the film would be the statistics like showing how many prisoners there where. I would say that was least effective because they were only showing us the African American prisoners.
Tyler Bowen
ReplyDeleteIn the Documentary 13 you can see many pieces of evidence of racial tension in the United States. But what I found with logical evidence was the representation of the number of inmates each year and how much it kept increasing. Also how there was an overrepresentation of black males and females in the prison system. Which they used against black people in news stories and were named super predators and monsters which they then saw themselves as these words and were scared of themselves.
The use of Archival footage which they did use in the film but with some of the people they had speak who were all very knowledgeable and with the footage they could have used through out but only really used it when showing the movie where they made the KkK the good guys. The documentary showed racism throughout America back then and nowadays and the footage showed it just not as well as it could have and compared to all the speakers and evidence used throughout.
Ryan Breard
ReplyDeleteThe most effective piece of rhetoric in the documentary "13th" would have to be the archival footage as well as the logical evidence. The archival footage almost completely misdirected my attention, and made me zone out of the actual points of emphasis in the documentary. The footage to me was very appealing and the instances that were shown were very entertaining. My ears would not even convert the experts opinion into words because I was so enhanced in the material that was in the background, and I found it very interesting at first and then quite alarming. The way the footage portrayed real life excerpts was extremely valuable in the presentation of the film. For example, the statistics of how many African Americans were enslaved, as well as, the song that was played at the end of each event described were the best fit for the film to portray the main points.
The Least effective form of rhetoric used in the documentary "13th" was definitely the tone and the way that certain cases of events were narrated. The tone was quite monotone the mood of the documentary never really changed my interpretation of it being depressing. Whether or not that was the goal I found it irrelevant, and I believe the film should have given some positive aspects of life back in the time that was being described as well as showing happiness within the film.
Jasmine Conway
ReplyDeleteIn the film 13 the most effective part of the film is the video footage. There is a big difference between hearing people talk about an event that has happened compared to actually seeing an event happens. Actually, seeing footage of the event take place and the pain that the people had to go through was heart breaking to watch. Hearing the word, it all starts to sound the same. Hearing the narrators talk you couldn’t get a clear image in my head.
The least effective part of the film was the interviews. I feel like most of the interviews were opinion based. There wasn’t very many facts and stats to back up with their information. It's easy for the interviews to draw more attention because if its people's opinions they can be more persuasive since they have a strong opinion towards it. People get more interested in hearing facts that actually back up the information so you know that it's true.
John Hutfless
ReplyDeleteI feel that the most important form of rhetoric would have to be logical evidence. They film/movie covered a lot of historical events that many have mixed opinions about. All of the evidence the film/movie provides is easily confirmable and comes from trustworthy sources.
As for the least effective rhetoric, I would have to say it would have been the tone of the film/movie. As the film/movie progresses, the tone seems to fluctuate a lot and not really follow a set path or "script".
Josh Schmiesing
ReplyDeletePersonally, after watching the 13th, I thought most of it, if not, all of the documentary was full of fallacy and ineffective rhetoric. Taking that into account, I will agree that the ideas and purpose of the documentary had an important message that the directors were trying to convey had good intent but the presentation of their argument, I thought, was extremely poor. I thought that the closest thing to "effective" rhetoric would be the (poorly) attempted use of dates and numbers of prisoners. Even though these shockingly large numbers didn't specifically state how much African Americans made up (seems fishy to me), the number alone was very effective.
The 13th was full of ineffective rhetoric. The most important ineffective rhetoric was the movie was, in a way, the movie as a whole. Majority of the documentary showed the history of how our country abused and completely mistreated African Americans. Many scenes and facts presented were from, keyword, PAST events. As horrifying and sad and awful and shocking this information was I believe these scenes were strongly overused in attempt to soften and manipulate the audience into feeling ashamed and angered by these injustices that happened in the past while leaving out the fact that these things do not necessarily happen at all in the present. These scenes, despite how horrible and true they are, belong more in a "post-slavery" type documentary, instead of a documentary that is supposed to be about the unfairness of African American arrests in TODAY'S society. Knowing our history is always important but all of the hundreds of thousands of "unfair racist arrest" claims the film makes simply do not happen anymore. There have been thousands of court cases and multiple reforms on the law since slavery, meaning that in today's world, going to prison only happens if an individual actually breaks the law..
In the documentary "13th" the most effective rhetoric was the use of solid facts. The had the people being interviewed share some facts about the way black people have been criminalized in the United States since then end of slavery. They would even display facts about certain event or the number of people locked up in prison.
ReplyDeleteThe least effective rhetoric was the biased opinions by the previously mentioned interviewees. Yes they were telling facts earlier in the film, but in between those facts you would here one of them say a comments from their point of view, but opinions are just that. Opinions. If your're gonna use peoples opinions then you have to have opinions on both sides of the arguments. Otherwise you end up with a one sided movie that'll be used to fulfill someone else's confirmation bias.
Paul Plowcha
ReplyDeleteThe most effective rhetoric displayed in 13th is the use of logical evidence that is provided. This evidence legitimizes the entire documentary and without this, the documentary would have no authenticity.
The least effective rhetoric used in this documentary is how it only discusses the impacts of the the 13th amendment on black people, and not any other races, even though the amendment makes no reference to race
Danni Chamberlain
ReplyDeleteThe most effective form of fallacy is the one that plucks at the heart strings. The music that plays in the background of most scenes always somehow evoke the different emotions we have. The almost eerie music that played when the documentary showed the “fun” facts could make you feel disgusted, guilty somehow but, at the same time not surprised at the world around you. The logical evidence could also be argued as an effective rhetoric in the documentary. The logical evidence and numbers were real but the documentary made it seem like all of the people in prison weren't in there for a reason.
The constant showing of influential figures through the documentary was one of the least effective forms of manipulation because although some of them had special titles the rest of them were probably only shown because of the color of their skin. The documentary was largely centered on African american people and not on the 13th amendment's loophole.
Carlee Zellars
ReplyDeleteIn the film "13th" the most effective rhetoric was the solid facts. They had interviewed with several colored people, and how it's been since slavery had ended. And how things may or may not have changed.
The least rhetoric I would say would be the percentage of prisoners, because during the film they were only showing us how many colored where in prison not everyone combined.
Jace Andreasen
ReplyDeleteIn the film "13th" the most effective rhetoric was the "war on drugs" which was just another excuse to be racist to black people and target them. This was because a lot of black people just got out of slavery so they didn't have a lot of money so for drugs it was easier for them to buy crack then cocaine. These were the same drugs but different versions which made cracks punishment ten times worse, which targeted black people since it was cheaper and they would buy it since they didn't have good jobs.
The least rhetoric I would say would have to be have to be the biased opinions that the interviewers had because it seemed most of them were of a different race then white. and they only stated stuff they saw through there races point of view and not from others too.
Chris Hayes
DeleteIn the documentary “13th”, I think the most effective piece of rhetoric evidence was the footage being shown while they were speaking. It gave an image to the words they were speaking which had an amazing impact inside of people. When the film would speak about racism and segregation, you would see the old films of people being taken away because they were black. And will all the other issues it would do the same and that’s why it’s the most effective piece of rhetoric evidence.
For myself the tone was the least effective piece of rhetoric evidence. It went back and forth on many of the topics. And it can confuse audiences what their point that they are actually trying to get across.
Britanie Jones
ReplyDeleteThe most effective piece of rhetoric in the documentary were the evidence presented such as the videos of others using racial slurs others would use towards African Americans, and giving them labels or "crime". The percentage of incarceration is mind blowing because African Americans just got their rights back, only for us to take them away by putting them in jail.
In the film the least appealing thing in my opinion were how they talked about what Americans did and it felt as if they put the blame on us, rather than them also commiting crimes or making decisions that create either a positive or negative outcome.
Jakob Maynard
ReplyDeleteThe most effective piece of rhetoric in the documentary was the actual footage of the events that took place. It gives the argument proof and a backing. It also makes their argument seem like it's the only moral thing to agree with, which make an argument significantly stronger.
The least effective thing was that, as a documentary, it only showed one side of the story. It showed some politicians, but only ones who were against the bills and laws. They need to show more of the "why", not just what happened.
Nathan Petersen
ReplyDeleteIn the movie "13" the most effective rhetoric was the archival footage, because of its authenticity. When you see film like that, especially when the people seem to be proud of the harm they have done, you can see how lost our morals were, and maybe still are.
I would say the least effective rhetoric was the tone of the film. Unfortunately it seemed as though they were trying to push an agenda, and when something tries to push an agenda on you, it becomes human nature to reject it.
Eli Spencer
ReplyDeleteI thought the most effective price of rhetoric in the movie was the old clips. I say that because when you see what is happening, it brings out more emotion and gives the audience a actual view of what happened in those times. Seeing what happens gives more insight and feeling to the audience than having someone else read it or talk about it.
The least effective piece of rhetoric I would say is the people who are talking who are people of high education. To me, I didn't care what they said, I was most interested in the clips and the numbers. When the people talked, I thought to myself that they didn't experience what was going on first hand in this time. I wasn't as hooked as I was for the other clips and numbers and music sequences.
The most effective piece of rhetoric in the documentary were the evidence presented of the events that took place. It gives the argument proof and a backing. It also makes their argument seem like it's the only moral thing to agree with, which make an argument significantly stronger.
ReplyDeleteThe least effective thing was that, as a documentary, it only showed one side of the story. It showed some politicians, but only ones who were against the bills and laws. They need to show more of the "why", not just what happened.
Aaron Mahoney
ReplyDeleteI feel that the most important form of rhetoric would have to be logical evidence. They film/movie covered a lot of historical events that many have mixed opinions about. All of the evidence the film/movie provides is easily confirm-able and comes from trustworthy sources.
As for the least effective rhetoric, I would have to say it would have been the tone of the film/movie. As the film/movie progresses, the tone seems to fluctuate a lot and not really follow a set path or "script".
espy sanchez
ReplyDeletethe most important form of rhetoric was the way they were talking because most of the things they said were touching especially there stories and everything they had to say about the past and how stuff like racism use to go.i don't really think there was anything that wasn't less effective because its like everything they said was important for us to know and their personal stories so they really do have a meaning